DTH Classic: Tamera Mowry-Housley Interview

[00:00:03] Hi, I'm Brandon. I love Hallmark movies. I'm Dan and I despise Hallmark movies. And I'm Tamera Mowry-Housley and I'm in Hallmark movies. And this is the Deck The Hallmark Podcast. Deck The Hallmark, it's this podcast. La la la la la la la la la. Brandon and friends host this podcast. La la la la la la la la la la la la. We hope you like this jolly podcast. La la la la la la la la la.

[00:00:38] Big day, Dan. Oh man. This is bucket list day. This is a bucket list day. I'm not gonna lie. It is day. I'm not gonna lie. It's a bucket list day. Anytime we have a TV star of someone that we grew up watching, it's a bucket list day. I know, I know this isn't like it for you, but I feel like we're friends. That's right. We've grown up together. Oh my gosh, you are so sweet. I will be your friends. I love it. We did it! We did it! Confirmation there.

[00:01:07] This is really, this is a really fun day. It is. I know you don't like Hallmark movies. That's true. And it breaks my heart. And what can we do to make you like more than just a few? I love the fact, I love to live in a world where the people that make these movies don't listen to our show because it makes me feel bad. And then like we got before we started this, you were like, I know who you are. You don't like the movies. And I was like, well, dang it.

[00:01:37] Oh no. You know what, Dan? I still love you though. Oh God bless you. You are your authentic self no matter, no matter what. But here's the thing. Nobody like, you have your opinions and you stick with them. Nobody can, you know, like sway any of it. And he can be wrong and that's fine. Here's the thing, Tamara, is that it's not like I don't like all of them.

[00:02:02] And when I do like one, it becomes a bigger deal because it means something. Because I didn't just say all of these movies are good. And so when I like one, you know, it comes from an honest place is what I'm saying. Yes. And it's okay to be right. And it's okay to be wrong too. That's exactly right. That's exactly right. Of course. We typically start at the beginning, which is usually like we find out a lot about somebody. A lot about people as a kid. That's right.

[00:02:28] We did like, we know a little bit about you as a kid because we watched you, but what were you actually like as a kid? How did you first go into being like, I might want to act? You know, I lived in Texas and I was so enamored with like pageants and talent shows. So I would sing and dance. I was in a singing group called Fancy Prancy Dancers.

[00:02:59] Classic. Love that name. Wait, wait, I got something else for you. And then I was in a group with my sister, TNT, you know, it's our first year. And we called ourselves TNT Dynamite. Oh, that's just good marketing right there. That's good. You guys got it. That's just good. And so what I did was I just did like dance shows. I would perform at country fairs.

[00:03:28] I would perform at malls. And I would watch Star Search and like Days of Our Lives as the world turns. And that's when my love for acting began. I started in a community play. And I played Silk. That was her name because it was a play about all the textures like cotton, silk. Oh, God. Yep. And I was nine and my love for it began there.

[00:03:58] Wow. Still doing it. I'm sure you've gone over this a hundred times. But Tia was on the same. Like you guys both wanted to do this or wanted you had to be more talked into it than the other one. So I wanted to do it first. Okay. Okay. I wanted to do it first. I did a play. Community play first. And she was there. I'll never forget her like in the front row looking. And then that's when she was like, okay, all right, I can do this too.

[00:04:26] And then, um, I mean, I'm just so grateful. We're still doing it. Yeah. We've been acting since we were 11. Wow. We started dancing first and then, um, yeah. And your brother was in on it too. I was a smart guy fan. Like smart guy. Yeah. Yeah. Smart guy. Did you guys watch smart guy? I don't know. I'm a big smart guy fan. Aaron, our producer's a smart guy fan. They're younger than me, Tamara. I don't know what smart guy is. I thought he was making it up.

[00:04:55] No, I didn't know what it is. He's a smart guy. So he's a smart guy. He's a, he's a little, he's a little kid, but he's a smart guy. Oh, it's like Doogie Howser? He's a 10 year old whiz kid. Whiz kid. High school. That's the way it's not used to go. Yeah. Wow. So he played a 10 year old. That's like my son's age right now. Um, but I feel old. Uh, but he played a 10 year old kid who's just really smart.

[00:05:24] So think kind of like, you know, Doogie Howser kind of a mind. Um, you know, he should be in elementary, but he's in high school and you know, he, he deals with the challenges of that. And that went on for three years. Wow. Smart guy. I'm seeing here on IMDb that you guessed it on an episode. So you did stop by. I did. I was going to say my sister and I, we have this inside joke that man, whenever you're acting with Taj, like he steals the show.

[00:05:54] It's just, it is what it is. We've accepted it. Like go on boo. Do you go? He's the baby of the family. Is that one more? There's another one. Yes. There's one more and he is, oh my gosh, he, he's 26. He just, him and his wife just had a baby. Does he, does he act or did he, is he just like, I've seen, I don't need any of this. He does not want to act. Yes. Because he has seen it all. Um, he wants, he's a musician.

[00:06:23] He taught himself how to play the guitar. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Now I, I have, uh, siblings, uh, three brothers, one sister. Um, and there is a bit of like, uh, a competition almost like when you're doing, like when I would play my brother one-on-one in basketball, you know, I did that type of thing. Was there any of that as siblings all doing the same thing where there's like a little competition?

[00:06:49] No, I would say never with the brothers, never with the brothers with T and I, we always said that when we were in a film together, it was that healthy competition. So I remember Tia, you know, when you do your coverage, right? One is one. She would say, Oh, you're going to do that on your coverage. Oh, so I'm going to do this on mine. Oh man. I feel like that's why all of our films together are just, they're so great.

[00:07:17] And we did have this like, uh, statement that helped us throughout Hollywood kind of auditioning for the same roles. It was at least one of the Maury gets it. If at least one of the Maury's get it, we all got it. Although there are times you're like, damn, but we learned now, I feel to kind of like just lean into our differences. Yes, we are twins, but we're, we're different. We may look alike, um, laugh alike, talk alike.

[00:07:46] Um, but we have different, we kind of have different vibes and, uh, you know, we're different people. Yeah. Yeah, of course. At least both of you got twitches. And I think that's all that matter. I did see that. Those are twin witches. Twin witches. I assume. No, I saw. I didn't know. I saw it in the IMDB. Once again, like he's 10 years younger than me. Like Tamara, I'm going to be 40 this year. He's like, he's like 30. He's like 31. Yeah.

[00:08:15] I lived on Disney channel original movies. Like that's like, what is happening? They're twins that are witches. So they're twitches. They're twitches. Get it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There was no way you both weren't getting that one. I mean, we're going to do just one. Can you imagine if they said, Hey, listen, Tamara, we're going to have Tia play both parts. You did not. You did not book this one. You did not book it. It's just Tia. Oh, that'd be a tough day. I would, I, that would sting. I'm not going to lie.

[00:08:45] Out of everything that would sting. If it's like, you're not good enough to play your sister's twin. That would, the competition would be over at that point. At that point there would, all of these great sayings would be out the window. It would be like, I can't talk to you anymore. I got to go get a job. So no, I will say this. I don't want to talk.

[00:09:11] I try and I try my best to like ask questions that you've not heard, which would be tough to do. Oh, wow. Thank you for that. Yeah. Because I, like, I know, I mean, we, we are nothing and we get the same five questions over and over again. Being on a show with your twin sister, I'm sure you get the same questions. And I, and brand new, I would mention this. I have twin boys and they're very different. They're very, very different. They're not alike at all, but people are like, oh, they look the same. They must be the same person.

[00:09:35] And so, uh, you're on TV for 120 episodes, like literally studio audience, right? So like you lived a lot of your childhood, you know, in front of a studio audience on TV. What was the time right after that? Like, like when you went, when sister, sister's done and you're not doing the, the, the Monday to Thursday dresses, script reads studio audience, like, was that a relief?

[00:10:01] Were you happy to just not be living life in front of a studio audience or were you ready for something else immediately? Were you always waiting a pausing for a laugh? Honestly, well, I will tell you this. The Maury family, they're hysterical. Like my brother, like we're, so we were always laughing there. There was that, but that is an amazing question, Dan. That is that. Thank you for that. Uh, being honest.

[00:10:27] Um, so I have to say it was that there was a mixture in the beginning. Yes. It felt so good to just kind of be, I, um, studied psychology, uh, at Pepperdine university. So I was in college during the last, uh, few years of, of sister, sister.

[00:10:53] And that was challenging to shoot a film and, um, you know, go to college. But my sister and I, we, we did it. So after sister, sister was like, whew, woosah. I can just work on, you know, just being a young woman. Um, and going to school. I had like my first serious boyfriend. I studied abroad. But after that, I was like, okay, well now what?

[00:11:23] Like, okay, I'm ready. I'm ready to, to jump back in there. And it was challenging in the beginning because you're kind of typecasted as a child actor. And not only that, once I graduated from college, you know, you're so used to knowing where you're going to go the next day. And when you don't know, you're kind of into the sea of the unknown career wise and, you

[00:11:51] know, educational wise, you know, wise, like it was like, what do I do now? And I dipped through a little depression, if I'm honest. Yeah. I'm sure. And there was that pull to maybe try and be something that I'm not so that people can see that I'm a young woman now. I'm not a little, a little girl anymore. But I did not. I stayed true to myself.

[00:12:19] I kind of thought about maybe possibly being a kindergarten teacher, being, going back to school to, you know, become a psychologist. I did work with some young boys. I was a counselor at a foster. Yeah. It was called Holly Grove.

[00:12:45] Um, and while I was waiting out for that next big role, I was living my life. But you had, you know, your highs and lows, man, like that is, and that is life. So I had to find out who I was outside of all of that. I love that. And thank God I have, I'm an ex army. Well, I'm an army brat. They say you're never an ex, but my parents have retired. My mother was a drill sergeant. My dad was a first sergeant.

[00:13:15] So that's a household right there. And they had a bunch of kids that went into entertainment. Yeah, I know. Right. My dad was like, I wanted you to be a lawyer. I wanted you to be a doctor. I was like, well, dad, I got to play one on TV. Maybe I'll play, you know, but he is so, I mean, he's so proud of his children. And, uh, I found myself. I know that was a long, no, I love that answer. Like it's so like you hear so many like child stars.

[00:13:43] Who like they, in trying to find the next thing, they kind of lose their integrity. Like they lose their ability to understand where the plumb line is, where they're like balance and homeostasis is. And it sounds like you, like from your, your raise, from your, from your parents. The support system that you truly need being a child actor is huge. And our parents taught us, you know, we care more about your character.

[00:14:08] Do not let, you know, your identity be defined by your job, especially Hollywood, because it's fickle. You know, you're in, you're out, you're in, you're out. And, uh, if, if you think your job defines you, then you're going to be all over the place. You know, my character defines who I am, who I am as a human being. And I focused and worked on that. And then the roles slowly came. It's not fair that we get to be this encouraged in an interview. I'm so, it's not fair. I don't even like these movies for a living.

[00:14:36] And I'm just, I feel so like full. It's great. We can do anything. We can take on the world. Take on the world. That's right. I, uh, I imagine that you get asked this by parents, but you're a twin. Sorry. But if you're like a parent and your kid really wants to give acting shots and I'm like, I'm over here and I'm like, like you just act on like do a little school place. Like that's good enough.

[00:15:04] But then there's kids that are like, I want to do the thing on the TV. What do you tell those parents that are looking for? Like, Hey, should I go for it? Should I not go for it? How do I do it? Well, I tell them to ask them why, if you know, if they know the true reason why, and it's not because I want to make money or just be famous. There you go. Because if, if you, you have to have, I believe to survive in this business.

[00:15:32] And yes, there are, there are individuals who literally get discovered on, you know, the, the, the street, the restaurant, whatever. And that works for them. But eventually, if you don't truly fall in love with the craft, you're, again, you're going to lose yourself and you're going to lose the fun of it because it could get really challenging. And then there's, I mean, it's like one first, it was like one out of 11. You get it now because of all, which is amazing.

[00:16:02] We have so many more opportunities. It's like one out of 50, you know? And even when you do make it, you still have to audition. You, there are still hurdles. And, but what has kept me in the game is that, why am I doing this? And for me, I love to be a, I love being a storyteller. I come alive. I feel like I learn a lot from the characters that I play.

[00:16:30] I also love a challenge. Yeah. So, I mean, there's, there's, there's, there's multiple whys, but you want to make sure that their why is the right reason. Cause then that'll kind of tell you where, where they might be headed. I mean, and you had to remind, like, I can imagine after, you know, you know, there's a 20 year gap between sister, sister and your time starting on, on Hallmark. What these Dan thinks.

[00:16:57] No, like, well, it's not like you weren't working psychology degree from Pepperdine. Give me a break. Like wherever you're watching movies for a living Tamara. Like, come on. I'm an overachiever. Okay. But like you said, yeah, I know. Look, there's no doubt about that, but you say one out of 50 auditions. And then I, you're probably on top of that going, all right, I've got someone else that's just like me that wants to do this. And I've been typecast. So it's hard for me to even get my foot in the door.

[00:17:23] So like, to have that attitude and know why you're doing it in it facing a sea of, I have all the excuses at my disposal that I need to not do this anymore or to take a role that's not right for me. I have all of these things that I could say and no one would, no one would question it to have that, you know, amount of fortitude to do what's right. That must've been, I can't imagine. It must've been really, really difficult. Yeah, it was.

[00:17:49] And what kept me going though, was that drive and, and, and my love for the arts, my love. Um, I don't know, like, I always feel like, you know, when you see a scene and you know, it's, it's a good one, you know, you're like, wow, I remember what it took to get me there. And then, and I'm always learning and always growing that that's, I love it. And that's why I loved, uh, doing films.

[00:18:18] You know, I feel like every, um, film for me, my goal is to grow as an actress because I took, I took a seven year break. It was, I didn't do anything and thank God for Hallmark to actually be like, yeah, you, you love to act, Tamara, come on, let's, let's do this. And it's become that place, you know, for me, but it was difficult. You know, there are times where you're like, well, am I supposed to be doing this? Like, or why am I doing this?

[00:18:48] I quit. Um, but I, I kind of did for seven years. I was a talk show host and I will tell you this, I will do this as long as I'm enjoying it. And I'm, and I'm happy doing it. You know, the moment I'm like this, I don't know, like this, I don't get any joy from anymore is when I'll stop. Yeah. You know, I'll, I'll just, you know, my husband has a winery. I'll, I'll help him make wine.

[00:19:16] What, what, what, what's the name of this winery now? I'm now since. Oh my gosh. Okay. So it's called Housley Napa. Okay. Ever in, um, downtown Napa, we have a tasting room. It was, it was voted the number one tasting room in Napa. And I was shocked because we don't have this gorgeous view. I'm just going to let you know, I'm always straight up, but we don't, we don't have that gorgeous Napa view, but we have amazing music. I created a vibe there that where I want people to just feel welcomed.

[00:19:45] Everyone is welcomed there. Um, and it's comfortable. Wine is great. It's, it's solid and it's affordable. I love it. Yeah. So. Well, I'm not saying you have to send us wine, but it would make us really, really cool with our wives. So if you just say one positive thing about my, my Hallmark. Okay. Okay. All right. Here's what we'll do. I got, listen, there's a lot that, that I can say that's nice and I'm looking forward to dream moms, which we're going to talk about. I'm sure at some point.

[00:20:14] I'm scared. Yeah. Well, you were, I do have a question before I say anything nice. Uh, there's a movie called girl friendship where you guys go to South Carolina. We're in South Carolina right now. So that was, yeah, we're from, I'm from South Carolina. That's a lot. It was really fun to see. And you play a character. You're Tamara play a character named Samara. Yeah.

[00:20:44] And what, what, how, like, how did you get that script? You don't know. It wasn't. Was that like a misprint? They were like, this is, this is a Tamara type. And they put Samara by accident. Is that what happened? That's what you're asking me. Honestly, I had nothing to do with it. I was not even like, she didn't write the script for me. So the girl's name was just Samara. And I happened to be Tamara. I love it.

[00:21:11] And the thing is, is I don't know if everyone articulated the S. No. So it sounded like, someday it was like Samara. Then it was, sounded like Samara. Yeah. It was way similar. That's the nice thing about that though. Is because if you mess it up, it's kind of like, did I though? Did I mess it up though? Not already getting a character. Did I? It's, you know, pretty straightforward. We were watching the first 10 minutes. I was like, her name is Samara? Yeah. And I'm telling you, that was just a coincidence.

[00:21:37] And like I said, it wasn't like they saw me and were like, okay, let's name this girl Samara. No, it was our, it was written way before I was dead. That's fantastic. I don't know if I believe it, but it's fantastic. Yeah. That's unbelievable. Are you calling her a liar? No, I'm not. I'm not. No way would I do that. I'm not actually, Dan. No, she is not. No, of course not. I have lied, but I'm not a liar. That's exactly right. Let me ask you this. You were, you were in a homework movie with a time traveling carousel. Yeah. You're in one. We're talking about all of these. Yeah. Okay.

[00:22:07] You're in, you're in one where you and Paul Campbell are worried about Joe Pantoliano and the mob next door. Yeah. Oh, geez. Um, you're in one where he even did our film first. Well, like, why the hell are you here? Well, what's wild is I saw that and I was like, this is unbelievable. And then I felt like he wasn't in it enough. Like I was like, man, you know, talking to him and we're, you know, we're, we're asking him questions. He does his coverage first.

[00:22:37] Right. Paul and I look at each other and we're like, what the hell was that? Like what kind of show is freaking amazing. Yeah. Wait, why are you, what, what, what? It was like Oscar winning, but he genuinely, you know, you want to know why he did it? Why's that? Okay. This is exclusive. You guys. Oh, I don't know if he will ever do another one, but he was in it because his daughter is a huge fan of Hallmark. And she said, daddy, you need to do. Wow.

[00:23:07] Look at that. Joey pants on Hallmark because of his daughter. How cool is that? That's awesome. The thing we do for our kids. So you're in that time traveling carousel. You do a movie with Ronnie Rowe Jr. Who we love Ronnie Rowe. I love him. And he's launching satellites to Mars from like a upper level office in the middle of, of like a mid, mid level city. Like it's an office about the size of our podcast network, but they're sending, is there anything that you've read in one of these movies that you're like, we've got to change

[00:23:36] that this is like, we can't, we can't move forward. Is there anything you've read in one of these scripts that you're like, Hey, can we maybe tweak this? Are you just on board? You read it and you're like, I'm on board. I'm okay. So I feel like there, I had to like do a couple to actually be able to say something. Of course. Do you know what I mean? So you're a producer on some of these. So on some of these, you get a legit, like, you know, foot in the door. Or you, you get a say in some of this and others.

[00:24:04] I was, but I also was new, you know? Okay. So now I feel like I'm a little bit more of a seasoned Hallmark actress. I know a little bit about what we can do, you know? Yeah. And, um, or say, and I didn't realize in the beginning, even though I was a producer, we, and now I know why Paul, Paul is very much hands-on. Paul, and I learned that with Santa's stakeout, like, like, no, I think we should do this.

[00:24:33] Or I think we should, you know, and while we were shooting that, he was writing his, his, his Christmas, um, film. I think it was Unexpected Christmas. Like literally, we're shooting. And I'm like, oh, what are you doing? And he's like, oh, I'm just writing this Christmas film. And I'm like, what? He's amazing. Uh, but, but yeah, I didn't know actually how much control we could have. And I know that sounds crazy with your name saying you are producing it.

[00:25:01] Um, but you know, you know, and also the time that you have to shoot these. Oh, it's nothing. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's crazy, but also addictive because it becomes a huge challenge. Um, now, yes, now, yes. Like there was one. So with Dream Moms, I will tell you this. I did not want the girls to sound like catty. They were, you know, in the beginning.

[00:25:25] The last thing you want to see are two grown men, men, two grown women, like, uh, being passionate about, you know, something, their family and sounding catty. Um, so I was like, no, let's have grown adult women, uh, you know, conversations about this. Um, and so, yeah, I'm starting to change some things. And then also I thought it was really important.

[00:25:53] You'll see in Dream Moms, there is a scene that I have with my, Roger Cross is amazing. He plays my husband, um, where I'm talking about what I want to do. And I want to make sure that my husband is on board, you know, with this and we need to have an honest conversation about that. And that's another scene that I fought to have, um, in this film.

[00:26:19] So out of all the films, this is the first one where I was, I started to. Okay. Yeah. I love that. I will say, I just want to add you going through kind of her homework movies made me think about how different the homework movies are that you get to make, like from, from film to film, they're, they're different, which is really fun. Like you get to show your, your comedy and Santa's stakeout and Vending Christmas Prince. It's like this sincere mom. He's doing it.

[00:26:46] Like there's so many different, like, is that just kind of like luck of the draw with these movies or is it like you being like, I want to like next, Hey, just next one I want to do. I want to do something a little bit different. You're absolutely right. It's a, it's me saying, I want to do something different. I want to show again, like I true, I'm so grateful for a homework that I now have, um, a home and,

[00:27:10] uh, you know, community where I can grow as an actress and, and like, just try new things. So I will literally just let them know, Hey, I want to do a film that, you know, where you see a little bit more of my emotional side. I've always wanted to do a detective. I've always wanted to have, uh, you know, a comedy. Cause when I remember when I first went to them, they were like, Oh, we're, we don't really do that. We don't really do comedy, you know? So I'm so happy Hallmark is progressing. Um, they're becoming more inclusive.

[00:27:41] Um, they are, you know, we're able to try all these different things. I mean, in dream moms is about two, it's a two, it's a two women lead. Usually there's a male lead. That's fantastic. You know? And, um, I love it. And now we see like three women, you know, leads three male, you know, leads. And also I love that the males are, um, getting like, uh, Paul's new mystery, um, series,

[00:28:09] you know, they get to be, you know, leads. I think that's amazing. It's awesome. Instead of just placeholders. Like it seems like over the last two, three years, there really has been a push to just widen the net across the board. Yes. Genre, inclusion, everything. And that is qualitatively made the films way better. I believe. Oh, you said something positive. I did. See, I told you, I told you I would see, I'm not a complete monster. Um, let's, let's, let's, I meet you in person and call you Samara though. You can't blame that on me.

[00:28:38] But you know what, the type of person I am, Dan, I will tell you, I'll be like, Oh, sweetheart. It's Samara. But I will tell you genuinely, I have heard some of your reviews and I was like, damn, that's really harsh. You didn't make me cry one time. No, no. No. Yeah. But, but, but genuinely. Oh man. Come on. I like want to hug you. Okay. I just, I want to, I just, because I'm a hugger. Yeah. Me too. If you can believe it, Samara.

[00:29:08] Like he's, he's clearly a bro. He's clearly broken and he needs a hug. I get it. I get it. But let me, let me do this. Dream moms this Saturday. Why is Dan going to like dream? Oh my God. I don't know. I'm transparent. I was on a show called the real. I don't know. Well, why am I going to love dream moms? Let's do that. If he does. Okay. This is where I want, I would like Dan to like dream moms because of this.

[00:29:37] You have two actors who haven't danced in like years. I sang, I did, um, uh, the mask singer, you know, these are two women who were willing to just go for it. Like, and that's what you will see. I will tell you that Dan, you will see these two moms who, you know, obviously, uh, Chelsea's a mom in real life. I'm a mom in real life.

[00:30:05] So you're not, you're going to see that passion, you know, there, but you'll see them really strive and try to win this competition and also tap into something that they haven't done in a long time. But, you know, really pushed to do it well. And I think that's why you'll like it. I think you'll love the music. I love it. I really do. I'm here for it. I can't wait, Tamara. I can't wait.

[00:30:32] I, I, if you don't, then we're, we're going to have to have a conversation. Can I tell you this, Tamara, regardless, I love you. You're wonderful. This has been, this 30 minutes has not just, it's flown by and, and we have to have you on again. Cause I have, I have a dozen questions I didn't get to. And, and, and, and I know you've got you, you're doing press all day, but I'm just telling you, we've got to have you on again. You are an absolute delight. Just give me this, just give me this, just give me this one. Okay.

[00:31:02] Sister, sister, sister, reboot, sister, sister, moms doing life together. Is it? Can we get it? I will tell you this. I do feel something in the future with my sister and I doing something together. How about that? That's a good piece. She never gets that question. I'm just, yeah, I'm sure she never has, but doesn't mean I'm not going to ask it. It's actually Sia and Samara. No, don't. It's going to be crazy. Tamara, thank you so much for joining us. It's been so much fun. Anytime. I'll be there. I love you guys. No, I love you. God bless you. You're the best.

[00:31:32] And may we be the first to wish you a Merry Christmas. All right. Tamara, you were wonderful. Seriously, please come back. We'd love to talk to you all day. Deck the Hallmark is a Bramble Jam podcast is produced by Aaron Shea. For more information on Deck the Hallmark, you can go to deckthehallmark.com. For more information on the Deck the Hallmark family, you can go to bramblejamplus.com. Deck the Hallmark is presented by Philo TV. For a free trial of Philo, go to philo.tv slash DTA.

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